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Chat Log - 10/21/2004 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 18:31:18 2004 Oct 18 18:31:18 --> You are now talking on #giants **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 23:25:05 2004 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 21 17:11:26 2004 Oct 21 17:11:26 --> You are now talking on #giants
Oct 21 18:15:37 --> GaryEastE (HarryCarso@ool-4570a1c3.dyn.optonline.net) has joined Oct 21 18:15:55 --- GaryEastE is now known as GaryEastEnd Oct 21 18:16:12 --- Chuch gives channel operator status to GaryEastEnd Oct 21 18:35:07 --- Chuch has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Harry Carson Online Chat -- Chat Begins at 7:30
Oct 21 19:04:42 --> GMenFan83 (HarryCarso@dhcp107.4200wisc.american.edu) has joined
Oct 21 19:14:13 --> tommynyg (~tommynyg@ool-182cb26f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined Oct 21 19:16:07 <GaryEastEnd> Hey there Oct 21 19:16:22 <GaryEastEnd> Harry should be along soon Oct 21 19:22:44 <tommynyg> Cool
Oct 21 19:23:25 --> hcarson (HarryCarso@172.158.69.226) has joined Oct 21 19:24:02 <hcarson> Hi Gary Oct 21 19:24:16 <tommynyg> Hi Harry Oct 21 19:24:37 <GaryEastEnd> Hey Harry Oct 21 19:24:46 --- GaryEastEnd gives channel operator status to hcarson Oct 21 19:24:46 <hcarson> I just sent you an email regarding the Habitat event next week Oct 21 19:25:12 <hcarson> really looking forward to it Oct 21 19:25:32 <hcarson> I'm having dinner with Jimmy Carter on Tuesday evening Oct 21 19:25:32 <GaryEastEnd> Yes, I just got it Oct 21 19:26:02 <tommynyg> How you feeling this evening Harry? Oct 21 19:26:05 <GaryEastEnd> He's a great man. Oct 21 19:26:18 <hcarson> I'm feeling pretty good Oct 21 19:26:34 <tommynyg> Thats good to hear Oct 21 19:26:38 <hcarson> I've been running for much of the week Oct 21 19:26:56 <hcarson> but I'm doing good. Oct 21 19:27:18 <tommynyg> good , glad to hear Oct 21 19:27:23 <tommynyg> how was your trip? Oct 21 19:27:39 <hcarson> trip to VA was good Oct 21 19:28:40 <tommynyg> good Oct 21 19:28:57 <tommynyg> I'm feeling blue this evening Oct 21 19:29:03 <hcarson> going to the game this weekend and then flying down to South FL to play in the Buonaconti Fund tournament at Jack Nicklaus golf club
Oct 21 19:29:05 --> GMenFan53 (~Steve@pool-70-17-61-207.pskn.east.verizon.net) has joined Oct 21 19:29:15 <Chuch> Yankees withdrawal, Tommy? Oct 21 19:29:27 <hcarson> then leaving from there to head to Mexico Oct 21 19:29:36 <tommynyg> Buonicanti's son? Mark right? Poor guy- He's a tough guy. God Bless him Oct 21 19:29:42 <tommynyg> For the habitat right? Oct 21 19:30:08 <hcarson> yeah along with VanPelt, Kelly and Taylor Oct 21 19:30:13 <tommynyg> Chuch, 1) becuase as a Giants fan , your always Blue, but yeah and also cause of the Yankees, that's really frustrating. Oct 21 19:30:19 <GaryEastEnd> No chat next week, Harry Oct 21 19:30:30 <hcarson> we should have some photos of the event on the site next week Oct 21 19:30:55 <tommynyg> LT is a great golfer huh Harry?
Oct 21 19:31:26 <hcarson> 36 holes a day... he should be good!
Oct 21 19:31:33 --> GaryEastEnd (HarryCarso@ool-4570a1c3.dyn.optonline.net) has joined Oct 21 19:31:35 <tommynyg> Oh my Lord Oct 21 19:31:44 --- Chuch gives channel operator status to GaryEastEnd Oct 21 19:31:54 <hcarson> he's on the course before 7AM Oct 21 19:32:05 <hcarson> that's his domain Oct 21 19:32:23 <hcarson> Gary, I'm good for next Thursday Oct 21 19:32:27 <GaryEastEnd> Sounds like he should be giving Tiger a run for his money Oct 21 19:32:54 <hcarson> he LOVES that game!!!!!!!! Oct 21 19:33:08 <tommynyg> Tiger isn't what he was, Vijay is amazing
Oct 21 19:33:29 --> xray5 (~xray5@141.133.156.173) has joined Oct 21 19:33:38 <hcarson> when he comes to Hawaii during Pro Bowl he brings a relative to hang out with his wife to keep her occupied Oct 21 19:34:28 <hcarson> guys in regard to last night's game Oct 21 19:34:35 <GaryEastEnd> That's planning ahead Oct 21 19:34:49 <hcarson> it appears that the Sox are trying to match the Pats Oct 21 19:35:44 <hcarson> it was hard to watch but the Sox made the plays when they had to! Oct 21 19:35:59 <tommynyg> it scares me Oct 21 19:36:30 <hcarson> Ortiz had a couple of monster hits Oct 21 19:36:31 <Chuch> Thy have a lot of talent on their team Oct 21 19:37:04 <tommynyg> i hope they dont win Oct 21 19:37:16 <hcarson> it does seem that team from different cities feed off of one another Oct 21 19:37:17 <Chuch> I couldn't believe Schilling in game 6 -- He was like Roy Hobbs
Oct 21 19:37:23 --> NYMase (~NYMase@va-65-40-125-22.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) has joined Oct 21 19:37:29 <hcarson> 86 Mets, 86 Giants Oct 21 19:37:59 <GaryEastEnd> Welcome NYMase Oct 21 19:38:00 <hcarson> any questions from you guys? Oct 21 19:38:38 <xray5> Hey Harry. I was wondering if you could talk about Tiki. He's been incredible. Oct 21 19:38:45 <NYMase> Thanks Gary! Thanks Harry Carson! Oct 21 19:38:47 <xray5> What's changed that has made him so great this week Oct 21 19:38:51 <xray5> this year Oct 21 19:39:02 <hcarson> He's been the MVP of the team so far this season Oct 21 19:39:02 <xray5> Is it the OL, or the coaches? Oct 21 19:39:20 <hcarson> it's a combination of several things Oct 21 19:39:31 <hcarson> the line is blocking better Oct 21 19:39:55 <hcarson> but Tiki is the kind of player who can make his own yards Oct 21 19:40:05 <hcarson> he's just that talented
Oct 21 19:40:41 --> GMenFan43 (~foo@pool-138-89-8-88.nwrk.east.verizon.net) has joined Oct 21 19:40:42 <hcarson> I think the transition of a new coach has made him work harder Oct 21 19:40:50 <tommynyg> What is going on with Ron Dayne, I feel sorry for the guy. I had high hopes for him Oct 21 19:40:56 <GMenFan43> hmm Oct 21 19:41:04 <GMenFan43> name J_E_T_S Oct 21 19:41:05 <hcarson> I hear many of the other guys saying that Oct 21 19:41:08 --- GMenFan43 is now known as J_E_T_S Oct 21 19:41:11 <J_E_T_S> there we go Oct 21 19:41:28 <hcarson> they are working harder and they are producing once they're on the field Oct 21 19:41:33 <J_E_T_S> so, mr. carson, why did you want to play linebacker when you started your football career? what appealed to you about that position? Oct 21 19:42:16 <hcarson> playing LB was not my choice Oct 21 19:42:28 <J_E_T_S> oh... what would have been your choice? Oct 21 19:42:39 <hcarson> Marty Schottenheimer drafted me and turned me into a LB Oct 21 19:42:48 <GMenFan53> Harry, I think that you were a DL in college. How long did it take you to feel comformtable at LB? How long do you think it will take Torbor? Oct 21 19:42:51 <J_E_T_S> what were ya? Oct 21 19:42:52 <hcarson> DE as I was in college Oct 21 19:42:54 <J_E_T_S> ok Oct 21 19:42:58 <J_E_T_S> cool Oct 21 19:43:08 <hcarson> I was just like Strahan Oct 21 19:43:18 <hcarson> or Leroy Selmon
Oct 21 19:43:22 --> nyg8690 (~nyg8690@69.138.182.161) has joined Oct 21 19:43:43 <hcarson> but Marty thought I would make a better backer to stop the inside run Oct 21 19:44:15 <hcarson> I use to tell the coaches that they were wasting my abilities having me play LB Oct 21 19:44:16 <J_E_T_S> one of his few correct decisions Oct 21 19:44:21 <J_E_T_S> hmm Oct 21 19:44:26 <J_E_T_S> well you turned out damn good at lb Oct 21 19:44:45 <hcarson> thanks but I also wish I could have played DE Oct 21 19:44:51 <J_E_T_S> you follow any baseball? Oct 21 19:45:04 <hcarson> especially if it was from the right side of the D line Oct 21 19:45:24 <hcarson> alittle baseball Oct 21 19:45:27 <GaryEastEnd> If anyone has questions for Harry -- speak right up Oct 21 19:45:37 <nyg8690> hey just got here Oct 21 19:45:50 <hcarson> I'm a NY baseball fan Oct 21 19:46:04 <xray5> I'm only a teen so I don't know that much about football over the last 30 years. But I was wondering Oct 21 19:46:13 <xray5> What led to the shift from many 3-4 defenses in the 80's to mostly 4-3 defenses in the 90's Oct 21 19:46:32 <tommynyg> I am die hard Yankees, and would like to see the mets play well. But I hate the Jets. Sorry , Giants are the ONLY NY team as far as I'm concerned Oct 21 19:46:53 <hcarson> the 4-3 was made famous by the Giants back in the 50s with Huff Oct 21 19:47:06 <xray5> oh Oct 21 19:47:09 <J_E_T_S> that's fine with me, tommy; support your team. Oct 21 19:47:14 <hcarson> when I was drafted that was the defense I played Oct 21 19:47:37 <hcarson> then when LT was drafted we went to the 3-4 to utilize his speed Oct 21 19:48:08 <GMenFan53> In today's game with 3rd down packages removing the MLB, would you want to be a DE instead of a LB? Oct 21 19:48:23 <hcarson> in order to play a 3-4 you really have to have a stud Nose tackle like Jim Burt to keep the ILBs cleanto Oct 21 19:48:57 <hcarson> DE, I loved playing that position Oct 21 19:49:05 <nyg8690> yea, like ted washington with the pats last year Oct 21 19:49:45 <tommynyg> I hope Robbins plays this weekend Oct 21 19:49:48 <hcarson> the 3-4 requires more discipline than the 4-3 Oct 21 19:50:02 <GaryEastEnd> How so? Oct 21 19:50:09 <nyg8690> did you like playing in the 4-3 or 3-4 better? Oct 21 19:50:24 <hcarson> I liked 4-3 better Oct 21 19:50:51 <nyg8690> what did you like better about it than 3-4? Oct 21 19:50:51 <hcarson> with the 3-4 you really have to play gap responsibility Oct 21 19:51:35 <hcarson> if you run out of place the running back can cut back or bend the run back Oct 21 19:51:44 <NYMase> Have the Giants ever talked to you about retiring your #53? Wes Mallard is a nice player, but it hurts to see him wearing #53. Oct 21 19:52:00 <hcarson> so you really have to hold back and be discipline to insure your gap Oct 21 19:52:09 <xray5> WIth the 3-4 are there more blitz options than with a 4-3 Oct 21 19:52:16 <xray5> ? Oct 21 19:52:24 <nyg8690> yea, and taylor took care of those blitzes pretty well Oct 21 19:52:31 <hcarson> the team has never spoken with me about the jersey Oct 21 19:52:44 <NYMase> That's a shame Oct 21 19:52:47 <xray5> like can you disguise the pass rush more with a 3-4 Oct 21 19:53:05 <hcarson> you can blitz from each scheme Oct 21 19:53:23 <J_E_T_S> man, you're defnitely not getting the respect from the people; won't talk to ya bout your #, won't vote you in HOF. i'm a jet fan and i acknowledge how well you played Oct 21 19:54:06 <GaryEastEnd> The Giants do have 10 jersey numbers retired -- that's quite a bit Oct 21 19:54:15 <J_E_T_S> true, true Oct 21 19:54:17 <tommynyg> Harry - question, I took a picture with you back when I was in Training Camp in 2000. Is there a way I can send it somewhere where u can sign it, cause i have a collection of Personalized giants pictures Oct 21 19:54:29 <J_E_T_S> but he was one of their best and was in the shadows of LT when he was just as good as him Oct 21 19:55:30 <xray5> Harry, which was your favorite non-Super-Bowl season as a Giant? Oct 21 19:55:33 <xray5> and why? Oct 21 19:56:09 <-- J_E_T_S has quit (Quit: http://www.harrycarson.com) Oct 21 19:58:29 <-- xray5 has quit (Quit: http://www.harrycarson.com) Oct 21 19:58:31 <GaryEastEnd> Harry -- you still there? Oct 21 19:58:41 <tommynyg> yeah im here
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Oct 21 19:59:47 --> GMenFan83 (HarryCarso@172.148.251.141) has joined Oct 21 20:00:17 <GMenFan83> sorry guys, I got knocked offline Oct 21 20:00:23 <HOFharry> this is your year, harry! Oct 21 20:00:40 <GMenFan83> year for what? Oct 21 20:00:47 <tommynyg> i think harry got knocked off too Oct 21 20:00:54 <HOFharry> h o f Oct 21 20:00:55 <GaryEastEnd> 83 is harry Oct 21 20:01:07 <tommynyg> oh lol Oct 21 20:01:22 <GaryEastEnd> Harry type /nick HarryC Oct 21 20:01:52 --- GMenFan83 is now known as HarryC Oct 21 20:01:55 <-- hcarson has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) Oct 21 20:02:01 <GaryEastEnd> There ya go Oct 21 20:02:05 <HOFharry> do you think derrick thomas will make it with you? Oct 21 20:02:06 <HarryC> ok Oct 21 20:02:10 --- GaryEastEnd gives channel operator status to HarryC Oct 21 20:02:36 <HarryC> I made the request back in March to have the name removed
Oct 21 20:02:37 --> Britt (~Britt@138.88.150.95) has joined Oct 21 20:02:53 <tommynyg> I remember that Oct 21 20:03:02 <tommynyg> I don't blame you Harry Oct 21 20:03:04 <HarryC> it still stands Oct 21 20:03:16 <HarryC> no offense to the HOF Oct 21 20:03:17 <tommynyg> last year , I almost lost my internship cause of that Oct 21 20:03:26 <Britt> Harry, I just wanted to thank you for making my childhood as a Giants fan memorable.... Oct 21 20:03:43 <Britt> I met Gary at BBI training camp in August and heard about this site Oct 21 20:03:44 <HarryC> you're welcome Thanks! Oct 21 20:04:06 <HOFharry> I wasn't alive back then Oct 21 20:04:17 <Britt> Just a lot of great memories for me and my dad... Oct 21 20:04:20 <tommynyg> During tax season we had to work saturdays, and I was listening when they named the HOF class, and they didnt say your name , so i kicked under my desk and sent the computer out for awhile. Bad move on my part and the HOF Oct 21 20:04:26 <GaryEastEnd> What's your BBI handle, Britt? Oct 21 20:04:36 <Britt> Britt in va Gary Oct 21 20:04:36 <HOFharry> I bet it's Britt in VA Oct 21 20:04:44 <Britt> remember, me and my girlfriend laura? Oct 21 20:04:54 <GaryEastEnd> Yup, I sure do Oct 21 20:05:02 <HarryC> there are a lot of other guys the writers should consider for that honor Oct 21 20:05:06 <Britt> Great looking site Oct 21 20:05:13 <GaryEastEnd> Thanks! Oct 21 20:05:34 <nyg8690> who did you like playing with the most? Oct 21 20:05:45 <Britt> Yeah, but Harry, we've been thinking you're a shoe-in... Years now... Oct 21 20:05:50 <tommynyg> yeah. I don't judge the HOF as much anyway- I just want to go the next time a Giant gets in Oct 21 20:06:04 <HarryC> well, I guess that shoe didn't fit..... Oct 21 20:06:20 <Britt> Oh, well, forget them... Oct 21 20:06:38 <HarryC> there are no shoeins... ask the Yanks Oct 21 20:06:41 <Britt> You know you are in all of the true Giants fans hearts as a hall of famer Oct 21 20:06:47 <HOFharry> :( Oct 21 20:06:54 <HOFharry> whoa i didn't know i could do that Oct 21 20:07:01 <HarryC> Thanks! I appreciate that Oct 21 20:07:21 <Britt> no prob, it's true Oct 21 20:07:21 <tommynyg> like hall of fame plays, sure leonard marshall isnt going to make the HOF, but that hit on Montana, was one of my earliest memories, I was 67 Oct 21 20:07:24 <tommynyg> 7*] Oct 21 20:08:07 <HarryC> I feel good having the support of all of the current HOF members as well as my old coaches and many of the guys I played against Oct 21 20:08:11 <GaryEastEnd> Yah, this chat app has a few built in smiles Oct 21 20:08:15 <GaryEastEnd> :) Oct 21 20:08:31 <HOFharry> : Oct 21 20:08:39 <HOFharry> :'( Oct 21 20:08:51 <Britt> So what's next Harry? You're not going to pull your name out of the hat are you? Oct 21 20:09:04 <Britt> You deserve the hall of fame. Don't give up. Oct 21 20:09:15 <HarryC> I did that months ago!! Oct 21 20:09:38 <Britt> But, can you just do that though? Will the officially not consider you now? Oct 21 20:09:50 <Britt> "they" officially Oct 21 20:10:20 <HarryC> they are considering my request but no one has ever done that so they are ill prepared to make the move Oct 21 20:10:22 <nyg8690> marino and young will make it effortlessly, just because they were great QBs. its harder for a defender to get recognition, which is not fair Oct 21 20:11:11 <HarryC> I've spoken with several writers who have told me flat out that eventually I will make it Oct 21 20:11:28 <Britt> Well, it's been too long IMO. Oct 21 20:12:06 <HarryC> but I have my reasons and while many might not agree with me my teammates understand and support my decision. Oct 21 20:12:13 <Britt> Who are the guys that are against you, if you don't mind me asking. Do you know? Is that the case? Oct 21 20:12:53 <HarryC> there are only a very few but they are the ones who don't have to justify their vote Oct 21 20:14:04 <Britt> hmmm, well, whatever happens, we (Giants fans) still have the memories. Some awesome years. Good luck Harry. Oct 21 20:14:16 <HarryC> to get it you have to have 80% of the vote and it appear that there are a couple of guys who might be NY envious or they have their opinion that I was pretty good but not HOF worthy Oct 21 20:14:37 <nyg8690> Which of the current Giants do you believe has a legitimate shot to reach the Hall of Fame? Oct 21 20:14:39 <Britt> Well, that's BS then. Oct 21 20:15:11 <HarryC> I've heard all kinds of reasons why I haven't made it and it has never bothered me Oct 21 20:15:54 <HarryC> I feel bad for some of the other guys who have been considered for years and have not made it either Oct 21 20:16:02 <tommynyg> I think the media HATES new york Oct 21 20:16:14 <nyg8690> so what about current giants you believe could possibly get into the HOF in the future? Oct 21 20:16:26 <HarryC> I just don't want to become the Susan Lucci of football Oct 21 20:16:46 <tommynyg> listen to the Yankees game, Buck and Mccarver hate NY, 95% OF the NFL Announcers- johnston, stockton, collinsworth, I can't stand them Oct 21 20:16:51 <Britt> haha, C'mon, that's not you Harry. Not going to happen :) Oct 21 20:16:52 <HarryC> current Giants would be #92 Oct 21 20:16:52 <tommynyg> Harry C- good analogy Oct 21 20:17:14 <HOFharry> susan lucci eventually won one Oct 21 20:17:20 <GaryEastEnd> He does have the sack record Oct 21 20:17:25 <Britt> When you get it, it will be deserved is what I mean. Oct 21 20:17:44 <GaryEastEnd> How much longer do you think 92 will play? Oct 21 20:17:56 <HarryC> on a serious note I am going to be posting a letter on the site in coming weeks to explain why I've opted out of consideration Oct 21 20:18:18 <HarryC> I have my reasons.... Oct 21 20:18:32 <nyg8690> do you think any other giants other than 92 could possibly have a shot at the HOF? Oct 21 20:19:34 <HarryC> 92 is still looking good. I think he could play another 3 or 4 years effectively Oct 21 20:19:46 <HOFharry> how many punters are in the hof? Oct 21 20:20:05 <HarryC> are you talking about current guys making the HOF Oct 21 20:20:27 <nyg8690> yes, current players who have possible future shots Oct 21 20:20:33 <HarryC> there are no punters in the HOF
Oct 21 20:20:39 --> GMenFan16 (~Jim@4.250.174.233) has joined Oct 21 20:20:55 <HarryC> aside from 92, no one right now Oct 21 20:21:23 <tommynyg> Well Harry- I'm behind you. But I do wish you were in the HOF but thats because even when you have a favorite great that retires, you want whats best for them . However, when your favorite player stands behind what he wants, you have to stay behind him too. Oct 21 20:21:48 <HOFharry> maybe feagles will become a running back then Oct 21 20:22:36 <HarryC> there are a couple of former guys who could get some consideration Oct 21 20:22:48 <nyg8690> who do you think had better pass-rushing skills, LT or strahan? Oct 21 20:23:06 <HarryC> OJ Anderson was one of the best backs I ever had to face Oct 21 20:23:19 <GaryEastEnd> Ray Guy came the closest to getting the HOF Oct 21 20:23:23 <HarryC> hard question Oct 21 20:23:41 <HarryC> LT had speed, 92 has power Oct 21 20:23:59 <HOFharry> well if ray guy can't make it, i guess feagles has no shot Oct 21 20:24:18 <HOFharry> do you see anything in umenyiora? Oct 21 20:24:18 <HarryC> i would have loved to have seen both of them on the same field Oct 21 20:24:33 <nyg8690> that would have been something Oct 21 20:24:48 <nyg8690> strahan added to the giants of the 80's Oct 21 20:25:21 <HarryC> Osi is a tremendous speed rusher, I really like him but he needs to be able to shift down when necessary to make the play like 92 Oct 21 20:26:08 <HarryC> 92 is a throwback kind of guy Oct 21 20:26:31 <tommynyg> Harry- I gotta run-I have a midterm in the morning. Gotta study. Good luck this week with the habitat. And LETS GO BIG BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 21 20:26:35 <HarryC> he could compete on every level just like LT could have Oct 21 20:26:40 <GMenFan53> Could Strahan have played DE in the 3-4, or would he have been a LB? Oct 21 20:27:01 <HOFharry> tommy i'm supposed to be doing work, too Oct 21 20:27:01 <HarryC> 5 and 1 this weekend!!!! Oct 21 20:27:27 <nyg8690> another question, do you belive that LT is the greatest defensive player to play the game, having played next to him? Oct 21 20:27:31 <tommynyg> I'm gonna stay a few minutes Oct 21 20:27:32 <HarryC> 92 is strictly a DE not an LB
Oct 21 20:27:37 --> GMenFan88 (~mango@64.252.34.75) has joined Oct 21 20:27:55 <HOFharry> what do you think of lt's performance on the sopranos? Oct 21 20:28:11 <HarryC> LT is undoubtedly the greatest!!!! Oct 21 20:28:15 <HOFharry> haha Oct 21 20:28:22 * GaryEastEnd laughs Oct 21 20:28:22 <HOFharry> i agree Oct 21 20:28:27 <HOFharry> what... Oct 21 20:29:06 <HarryC> one thing that I will always remember is playing against the Eagles Jaworshi breaking the huddle and looking for 56. You could see the fear in his eyes! Oct 21 20:29:18 <GMenFan88> lol Oct 21 20:29:24 <-- GMenFan16 has quit (Quit: http://www.harrycarson.com) Oct 21 20:29:26 <tommynyg> thats what jaworski talks about all the time Oct 21 20:29:40 <HarryC> it's real!!!! Oct 21 20:29:47 <GMenFan88> he mace alot of players look that way lol Oct 21 20:29:51 <nyg8690> since you have retired, have their been any giants linebackers, or any linebacker in general, that was reminded you of yourself? Oct 21 20:30:06 <nyg8690> has reminded you* Oct 21 20:30:08 <HarryC> I don't think 56 knew how good he was at the time Oct 21 20:30:17 <GMenFan88> yup Oct 21 20:30:47 <GMenFan88> boy to have you guys back would be great Oct 21 20:31:19 <GMenFan53> Cardinals or Astros tonight? Oct 21 20:31:22 <HarryC> Jeremiah Trotter is a mentor of mine, I liked him a lot during his first stint with the Eagles then he got hurt Oct 21 20:32:02 <tommynyg> yea Oct 21 20:32:35 <HarryC> I would never put myself in the class of Ray Lewis but I always like those guys who just knocked "dicks in the dirt" Oct 21 20:32:49 <GMenFan88> lol Oct 21 20:33:21 <GMenFan88> please when you played it was diff. Oct 21 20:33:40 <nyg8690> what would you say to the people who preech that ray lewis is the greatest LB ever to play (over 56)? Oct 21 20:33:41 <GMenFan88> you dominaded Oct 21 20:33:41 <HarryC> I use to really like Chris Spielman when he played with Detroit Oct 21 20:33:55 <GMenFan88> yea he was good Oct 21 20:34:44 <tommynyg> Ok time to study Oct 21 20:34:46 <HarryC> I like those guys who loved to mix it up on the inside with the FBs and OL Oct 21 20:34:48 <tommynyg> HARRY TAKE CARE Oct 21 20:34:54 <tommynyg> TAKE CARE EVERYONE!!!! Oct 21 20:34:56 <tommynyg> GO GIANTS Oct 21 20:35:00 <HarryC> take care... Oct 21 20:35:03 <GMenFan88> i will tell you its bull shit your not in the hall of fame Oct 21 20:35:08 <HarryC> any other????? Oct 21 20:35:18 <tommynyg> GIANTS 31 Lions 3 Oct 21 20:35:19 <GaryEastEnd> Take care, tommy Oct 21 20:35:26 <tommynyg> see ya gary Oct 21 20:35:46 <HarryC> this weekend's game is a classic "trap game" Oct 21 20:35:52 <nyg8690> what was it like playing under Bill Parcells? would you consider him to be the greatest coach ever? whats something we probably dont know about him? Oct 21 20:35:56 <tommynyg> but its not fassel Oct 21 20:35:58 <HarryC> coming off of a bye Oct 21 20:35:58 <tommynyg> its coughlin Oct 21 20:36:01 <GaryEastEnd> Harry, are the Giants really 4-1 good, or have we been lucky? Oct 21 20:36:04 <GMenFan88> i think this is great never thought i would be chating with the man Oct 21 20:36:21 <HarryC> I did Giants GamePlan yesterday and I talked about that Oct 21 20:36:21 <GMenFan88> its like wow Oct 21 20:37:03 <HarryC> they are much better than anyone could have imagined Oct 21 20:37:06 <tommynyg> see ya next week harry Oct 21 20:37:15 <HarryC> they are a legitimate 4 and 1 Oct 21 20:37:20 <tommynyg> u goin to the game harry? Oct 21 20:37:23 <GMenFan88> yes they are Oct 21 20:37:26 <nyg8690> about parcells...? Oct 21 20:37:35 <HarryC> I will be at the game on Sunday Oct 21 20:37:44 <HarryC> and they are getting better Oct 21 20:37:46 <GMenFan88> cool Oct 21 20:37:56 <GMenFan88> go giants Oct 21 20:38:04 <HOFharry> what was draft day in 1976 like for you? Oct 21 20:38:07 <tommynyg> do u hang out in the lot harry? Oct 21 20:38:21 <tommynyg> that lot is the best party in the NFL
Oct 21 20:38:38 --> viggie (~viggie@68.194.239.50) has joined Oct 21 20:38:39 <HarryC> draft day? there was no ESPN for sure Oct 21 20:39:09 <tommynyg> wasnt it on a weekday? Oct 21 20:39:11 <tommynyg> in 76? Oct 21 20:39:14 <nyg8690> question, what was it like playing under Bill Parcells? would you consider him to be the greatest coach ever? whats something we probably dont know about him? Oct 21 20:39:23 <-- tommynyg has quit (Quit: http://www.harrycarson.com) Oct 21 20:39:24 <HarryC> I waited during the day for the phone to ring then I went to class. I found out on the evening sports that I had been drafted by the Giants Oct 21 20:39:33 <HOFharry> wow Oct 21 20:39:52 <HarryC> I know everything about Bill Oct 21 20:39:54 <GMenFan88> were you happy it was the gman Oct 21 20:40:24 <HarryC> I played golf with him just before he went to training camp Oct 21 20:40:32 <viggie> how good were byron hunt and andy headen? i remember they always filled in well when you had injuries. It seemed like they would have started for many other teams? Oct 21 20:40:43 <HarryC> I was just happy to have been drafted Oct 21 20:40:51 <GMenFan88> yea Oct 21 20:41:11 <HarryC> didn't know it would be the Giants Oct 21 20:41:32 <HarryC> Bill is the best coach I've played for Oct 21 20:41:52 <HarryC> he really knows the game Oct 21 20:42:17 <HarryC> but you can also see that Belichick learned a lot from Parcells Oct 21 20:43:15 <nyg8690> do you think Belichick is the best coach in the NFL today? Oct 21 20:43:19 <HarryC> Romeo Crennel is the same kind of coach and he'll make a team really good whenever he gets his shot to be a HC Oct 21 20:44:03 <HarryC> I do think BB is the best right now. Look at the job he did last year with so many injuries Oct 21 20:44:11 <GMenFan88> yea i coached migets in middletown ct for four yrs we lost three games it was one hell of a run my son was qb it makes a coaches job when you have the tallent Oct 21 20:44:13 <nyg8690> i fully agree Oct 21 20:44:23 <HOFharry> same here Oct 21 20:44:32 <GaryEastEnd> I was hoping for Romeo when the Giants were coach shopping Oct 21 20:44:50 <HarryC> BB did a masterful jod in spite of adversity Oct 21 20:45:07 <HarryC> job Oct 21 20:45:19 <HOFharry> Do you think the Pats are a dynasty? Is Brady the best QB right now? Oct 21 20:45:43 <-- viggie has quit (Quit: http://www.harrycarson.com) Oct 21 20:45:44 <GMenFan88> bill is doing great up their Oct 21 20:46:06 <HarryC> don't know if they are a dynasty but they are head and shoulders above most other teams Oct 21 20:46:11 <GMenFan88> hes another good coach Oct 21 20:46:38 <HarryC> Brady plays great in his system Oct 21 20:47:09 <GMenFan88> harry you have a good its been great talking to you Oct 21 20:47:22 <nyg8690> yea i have a feeling brady needs a team with great chemistry, a great coach, and a great system, to succeed, which he does. however, i belive peyton manning is the best pure QB Oct 21 20:47:28 <HarryC> I'm really happy for BB. I enjoyed playing under him when he was with the NYG Oct 21 20:48:04 <HarryC> I have to agrre with you regarding Peyton Oct 21 20:48:28 <HOFharry> what about culpepper? i think he proved on sunday that it isn't just moss that gives him such great numbers Oct 21 20:48:34 <HarryC> good system good OL really good recievers Oct 21 20:48:41 <-- GMenFan88 has quit (Quit: http://www.harrycarson.com) Oct 21 20:48:52 <nyg8690> i dont think culpepper has proved himself as well as manning though Oct 21 20:48:57 <nyg8690> manning has such a niche for the offense Oct 21 20:49:18 <HarryC> that's what you have to look forward to in Eli Oct 21 20:49:29 <HOFharry> amen! Oct 21 20:49:42 <HarryC> he is going to be a hellava QB Oct 21 20:49:59 <HarryC> especially with good blocking of the OL Oct 21 20:50:29 <nyg8690> i pray so Oct 21 20:50:33 <NYMase> That's what we like to hear Harry! Do you ever want to get into coaching? Oct 21 20:50:42 <HarryC> hope you guys watch Giants GamePlan on Sunday we interviewed Sean O'Hara Oct 21 20:51:01 <HarryC> good player Oct 21 20:51:08 <nyg8690> yea i agree Oct 21 20:51:14 <nyg8690> underrated Oct 21 20:51:22 <HarryC> never wanted to go into coaching. they don't have lives.... Oct 21 20:51:39 <NYMase> Very good point....It seems like a HUGE sacrafice Oct 21 20:51:49 <HarryC> very large Oct 21 20:52:04 <HarryC> it wasn't worth it for me Oct 21 20:52:10 <HOFharry> might get the jeff van gundy bags under the eyes Oct 21 20:52:20 <HarryC> especially with young kids like I had when I retired Oct 21 20:52:32 <NYMase> Coughlin seems perfect for it then! Oct 21 20:53:05 <NYMase> not quite the Van Gundy bags under the eyes but close Oct 21 20:53:12 <nyg8690> harry, did you ever have a desire to play offense, in high school for instance? Oct 21 20:53:13 <HarryC> I once asked Jill Parcells what was it like growing up with Bill and she said "I never knew him" He was never at home! Oct 21 20:53:34 <HarryC> I played running back in HS Oct 21 20:54:06 <nyg8690> oh i didnt know that... were you any good? Oct 21 20:54:10 <NYMase> You must have ran over kids in HS Oct 21 20:54:27 <HOFharry> or through them Oct 21 20:54:36 <HarryC> I know a lot of football with some really good coache but I never wanted to be a slave to the game Oct 21 20:55:09 <GaryEastEnd> It's like a 12 months a year job now Oct 21 20:55:13 <NYMase> I can understand that...I thought practice alone was a huge sacrafice! :) Oct 21 20:55:25 <HarryC> My coaches were Marty Schottenheimer, Parcells, Belichick, all great defensive coaches Oct 21 20:55:43 <HarryC> but the time requirements weren't worth it Oct 21 20:56:15 <HarryC> as for the running back position, I was a lead blocker in a wishbone offense Oct 21 20:56:46 <HarryC> my favorite position was and still is DE Oct 21 20:57:02 <HarryC> any other ???? Oct 21 20:57:33 <GaryEastEnd> Harry, since you'll be in Mexico -- I guess no chat next week?
Oct 21 20:57:49 --> Retire53 (HarryCarso@dialup-4.250.174.233.Dial1.Weehawken1.Level3.net) has joined Oct 21 20:57:57 <HarryC> Hope all of you have a great weekend. I will be back on Wed. Oct 21 20:58:12 <HarryC> we can do Thursday Oct 21 20:58:21 <NYMase> Just want to say Thank you very much, Mr. Carson...It was always enjoyable to watch you play and transfer that passion to your teammates...Thanks again! Oct 21 20:58:24 <HOFharry> thanks harry!! great chatting with you! Oct 21 20:58:31 <GaryEastEnd> Thursday is good. I'll put it up on the site Oct 21 20:58:40 <HarryC> great! Oct 21 20:58:43 <GaryEastEnd> I'll e-mail you the chat log Oct 21 20:59:00 <HOFharry> 4-1 Oct 21 20:59:02 <HarryC> I predict a 5 and 1 record this time next week Oct 21 20:59:05 <HOFharry> 5-1 Oct 21 20:59:08 <HOFharry> i meant Oct 21 20:59:29 <HarryC> I do smell playoffs right now Oct 21 20:59:30 <nyg8690> how can i get this chat log copied and pasted? Oct 21 20:59:57 <HOFharry> getting to the playoffs would be incredible Oct 21 21:00:03 <GaryEastEnd> Me too. Playoffs! Oct 21 21:00:07 <HarryC> Tom's doing a great job Oct 21 21:00:16 <GaryEastEnd> nyg, I'm going to put the chat log up on the site Oct 21 21:00:30 <GaryEastEnd> So you can go there and read it from the beginning Oct 21 21:00:33 <nyg8690> ok Oct 21 21:01:21 <HOFharry> we will have a great chance if we beat the lions Oct 21 21:01:48 <GaryEastEnd> Beat the Lions and the Vikes and playoffs are all but assured Oct 21 21:01:57 <HarryC> I'm sure Oct 21 21:02:08 <HOFharry> there are only 3 above .500 teams that aren't division leaders Oct 21 21:02:16 <HOFharry> giants, seahawks, and lions Oct 21 21:02:44 <nyg8690> under what section can i find this and the 1st chat? Oct 21 21:03:03 <HOFharry> ok i gotta go to the apprentice! see you guys later...thanks again Oct 21 21:03:06 <-- HOFharry has quit (Quit: http://www.harrycarson.com) Oct 21 21:03:11 <GaryEastEnd> There will be a note about it on the front page Oct 21 21:03:28 <HarryC> I hope you all have a good one.... I have to do an interview Oct 21 21:03:35 <GaryEastEnd> I have some updates to do and I'll put it up then Oct 21 21:03:46 <GaryEastEnd> Harry, great to see you as always Oct 21 21:04:22 <GaryEastEnd> Take care. Say Hi to President Carter for me Oct 21 21:04:33 <nyg8690> thanks lots Oct 21 21:04:46 <HarryC> I hope to have some great shot next week Oct 21 21:06:32 <HarryC> See ya Gary Oct 21 21:07:52 <GaryEastEnd> See ya Harry Oct 21 21:09:15 <-- HarryC has quit (Quit: http://www.harrycarson.com) Oct 21 21:09:45 <GaryEastEnd> I'd like to thank you all for coming Oct 21 21:09:59 <GaryEastEnd> Same time next Thursday
Oct 21 21:10:17 --> Anon9047 (~Anon9047@pool-138-89-8-88.nwrk.east.verizon.net) has joined Oct 21 21:10:27 <nyg8690> do you have the first chat up anywhere? Oct 21 21:10:34 --- Anon9047 is now known as J_E_T_S Oct 21 21:10:40 <J_E_T_S> i take it harry left? Oct 21 21:10:43 <GaryEastEnd> This chat room is always open, so feel free to poke your head in and see if anyone is around Oct 21 21:10:58 <J_E_T_S> damn homework Oct 21 21:11:01 <GaryEastEnd> I sometimes stop in during Giants games Oct 21 21:11:13 <J_E_T_S> who are you? Oct 21 21:12:13 <GaryEastEnd> I'm the HarryCarson.Com webmaster Oct 21 21:12:17 <J_E_T_S> cool Oct 21 21:12:28 <nyg8690> do you have the 1st chat up on the site? Oct 21 21:12:35 <GaryEastEnd> Not yet Oct 21 21:12:56 <GaryEastEnd> I've been debating where to put it on the site Oct 21 21:13:20 <nyg8690> front page Oct 21 21:13:24 <nyg8690> so i can find it Oct 21 21:15:41 <GaryEastEnd> OK Oct 21 21:15:50 <GaryEastEnd> I'll link it from there Oct 21 21:16:01 <-- Retire53 has quit (Quit: http://www.harrycarson.com) Oct 21 21:30:30 <-- nyg8690 has quit (Quit: http://www.harrycarson.com)
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