Chat Log - 10/28/2004

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Oct 28 18:29:36 <hcarson> Gary, I'm here online but will return at 7:25

Oct 28 18:29:41 <GaryEastEnd> OK

Oct 28 18:29:45 <GaryEastEnd> Good to see you

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Oct 28 19:24:44 <J_E_T_S> hey

Oct 28 19:26:33 <J_E_T_S> how was mexico?

Oct 28 19:28:45 <hcarson> Hello guys

Oct 28 19:29:09 <hcarson> Mexico was absolutely great!

Oct 28 19:29:28 <J_E_T_S> cool

Oct 28 19:29:31 <J_E_T_S> it's cool what ya did

Oct 28 19:29:58 <hcarson> I'm adding some photos to my site of the Habitat build that me and my old teammates took part in.

Oct 28 19:30:06 <J_E_T_S> awesome

Oct 28 19:30:31 <J_E_T_S> last week you said you are a new york sports fan... what do you think about the Sox ending their 86 year loss-streak?

Oct 28 19:30:40 <hcarson> Brad VanPelt, Brian Kelley, Lawrence Taylor and I went down to help build homes

Oct 28 19:31:03 <hcarson> I'll answer that question in a minute

Oct 28 19:31:12 <J_E_T_S> that's pretty good... they really need all the help they can get down their

Oct 28 19:31:14 <J_E_T_S> there*

Oct 28 19:31:29 <hcarson> My guys did a really great job

Oct 28 19:31:32 --- GaryEastEnd gives channel operator status to hcarson

Oct 28 19:31:37 <GaryEastEnd> Hey harry

Oct 28 19:31:47 <hcarson> and we had lunch with former President Jimmy Carter

Oct 28 19:31:55 <hcarson> hi Gary

Oct 28 19:32:03 <GaryEastEnd> I have some stuff do deal with, so I won't be her much in the beginning

Oct 28 19:32:31 <J_E_T_S> what time do these chats usually go off?

Oct 28 19:32:33 <hcarson> Habitat is building 150 homes this week

Oct 28 19:32:40 <J_E_T_S> wow

Oct 28 19:32:40 <hcarson> in Mexico

Oct 28 19:32:47 <J_E_T_S> complete homes?

Oct 28 19:32:51 <J_E_T_S> that's pretty damn fast

Oct 28 19:32:57 <hcarson> there were more than 3000 volunteers

Oct 28 19:33:00 <J_E_T_S> mostly voulnteer work?

Oct 28 19:33:01 <J_E_T_S> ok

Oct 28 19:33:16 <hcarson> most of the homeowners will be moving in on Saturday

Oct 28 19:33:23 <J_E_T_S> awesome

Oct 28 19:33:35 <J_E_T_S> how big are the homes? just 1-rooms? or like multi-room single stories?

Oct 28 19:33:51 <hcarson> I think all Giant fan would be proud of the guys especially LT

Oct 28 19:34:02 <hcarson> he worked his a-- off

Oct 28 19:34:08 <J_E_T_S> hmm... not many people here... i'll go bump the post on the GMB

Oct 28 19:35:03 <hcarson> complete homes with LR, 2 BR, Kit, bath

Oct 28 19:35:10 <J_E_T_S> nice

Oct 28 19:35:25 <J_E_T_S> that's really generous of you guys

Oct 28 19:35:51 <hcarson> there was so much poverty there it made all of us feel very fortunate

Oct 28 19:36:20 <J_E_T_S> seeing it makes me feel fortunate even with all the financial struggles my family goes through

Oct 28 19:37:03 <hcarson> I know there's poverty here but not like there

Oct 28 19:38:33 <hcarson> now the question about the Sox

Oct 28 19:39:07 <hcarson> every dog has it's day and it was time for them to have there day

Oct 28 19:39:31 <J_E_T_S> yeah

Oct 28 19:39:47 <J_E_T_S> this is weird.

Oct 28 19:39:52 <J_E_T_S> small turnout

Oct 28 19:39:58 <J_E_T_S> only person to show up is a jets fan...

Oct 28 19:39:59 <hcarson> they looked pretty strong early in the season when they played the Yankees at Fenway

Oct 28 19:40:05 <J_E_T_S> yeah, they did

Oct 28 19:40:21 <hcarson> no problem, some of my good friends are Jets

Oct 28 19:40:36 <J_E_T_S> awesome

Oct 28 19:40:40 <hcarson> wesley walker, bruce harper

Oct 28 19:41:02 <hcarson> I played golf Monday with Joe Namath in Florida

Oct 28 19:41:31 <J_E_T_S> nice

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Oct 28 19:41:40 <J_E_T_S> i hope the jets win a SB before he dies

Oct 28 19:41:40 <hcarson> Greg Buttle and of course Herm Edwards and I are very good friends

Oct 28 19:41:51 <J_E_T_S> no offense but i'm sick of herm

Oct 28 19:41:59 <J_E_T_S> he has to get rid of a certain offensive coordiantior :(

Oct 28 19:42:16 <hcarson> Namath looked great with the new knees and sobriety

Oct 28 19:42:27 <J_E_T_S> that's good to hear

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Oct 28 19:43:20 <hcarson> They have to get more production out of their passing game

Oct 28 19:43:42 <J_E_T_S> yeah, we need to stop doing swing passes or passes to our backs

Oct 28 19:43:50 <J_E_T_S> no reciever has caught a TD yet

Oct 28 19:44:05 <J_E_T_S> and we're becoming predictable with throwing to chrebet in 3rd & 4th down situations

Oct 28 19:44:28 <J_E_T_S> i don't know how closely you follow the jets, but last week on 4th & 8 we threw to chrebet in triple coverage with a wide open moss... literally

Oct 28 19:44:46 <hcarson> there's still a lot of the season to go

Oct 28 19:45:12 <hcarson> for herm to redeem himself isn't there

Oct 28 19:45:37 <hcarson> or you're ready to cut off his head?

Oct 28 19:46:00 <J_E_T_S> oh yeah, i love herm as a coach, he's a great speaker, pretty good coach, great inspiration, but paul hackett needs to go

Oct 28 19:46:05 <J_E_T_S> but chad and hackett work so well

Oct 28 19:46:16 <J_E_T_S> they need to let chad call his own plays more often

Oct 28 19:46:22 <J_E_T_S> chad is still developing anyway

Oct 28 19:47:13 <hcarson> Chad should be developed by now. Isn't this his 4th or 5th year now

Oct 28 19:48:06 <hcarson> hey JETS guy, are you a season ticket holder

Oct 28 19:48:20 <J_E_T_S> it's his 4th or 5th year, but he hasn't held a starting job so long

Oct 28 19:48:22 <J_E_T_S> nah, i'm only 14

Oct 28 19:48:57 <hcarson> ohhhh, okay no wonder you are so critical

Oct 28 19:49:06 <J_E_T_S> heh, i tend to be

Oct 28 19:49:18 <J_E_T_S> but i'm happy that we are 5-1, and we put a great fight up against the pats

Oct 28 19:49:25 <J_E_T_S> a few bad calls, but nothing you can do about it, that's football

Oct 28 19:49:30 <J_E_T_S> we'll get 'em next time ;)

Oct 28 19:50:08 <hcarson> yeah that football is going to bounce in very different ways at different times

Oct 28 19:50:37 <J_E_T_S> yep.. and by bad calls, i wasn't jumping on herm again, i meant by the refs.

Oct 28 19:51:55 <hcarson> I understand but I hope you know that there are so many things that happen on the field that Chad , Hackett or Herm might not see at the time when you do

Oct 28 19:52:04 <J_E_T_S> that's true as well

Oct 28 19:52:36 <J_E_T_S> we jet fans are so critical... we can't help it. our board, TGG, has complaints every week after every game, amazing win or close loss

Oct 28 19:52:38 <hcarson> and team devise ways each week to take your strengths away

Oct 28 19:53:05 <hcarson> I should know, I played under Parcells and Belichick

Oct 28 19:53:18 <J_E_T_S> yeah, that had to be an awesome experience

Oct 28 19:54:19 <hcarson> looking back on it, I was very lucky to have such good football minds to play for

Oct 28 19:54:32 <GaryEastEnd> Hey Harry

Oct 28 19:54:33 <J_E_T_S> i'm sure thats not the only reason you did amazing

Oct 28 19:55:05 <hcarson> well, I had great players to play with especially in the 80s

Oct 28 19:55:34 <J_E_T_S> yeah

Oct 28 19:55:38 <hcarson> Banks, Taylor, Burt, Martin

Oct 28 19:56:18 <hcarson> we had more than our share of stale offenses

Oct 28 19:56:34 <J_E_T_S> lol

Oct 28 19:56:42 <J_E_T_S> i don't know much about giants history; did you ever play with Simms?

Oct 28 19:56:42 <hcarson> but we hung together until we could put it all together

Oct 28 19:57:08 <hcarson> Simms and I played together for 9 years

Oct 28 19:57:20 <J_E_T_S> how was he as a person? cocky? nice guy?

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Oct 28 19:57:29 <J_E_T_S> i know his son is pretty good

Oct 28 19:57:38 <GMenFan15> Am I in?

Oct 28 19:57:39 <J_E_T_S> or has looked so in his limited play

Oct 28 19:57:42 <J_E_T_S> yeah, you are

Oct 28 19:57:45 <hcarson> Phil was a really great guy to play with

Oct 28 19:57:46 <GaryEastEnd> Yup, welcome aboard

Oct 28 19:57:48 <GMenFan15> wow, that took long

Oct 28 19:57:55 <GMenFan15> thank you

Oct 28 19:58:00 <GaryEastEnd> Things may be slow tonight

Oct 28 19:58:07 <J_E_T_S> ok, i really really need to work on this homework or i'll fail english

Oct 28 19:58:20 <hcarson> take care....

Oct 28 19:58:25 <GMenFan15> bye Jets

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Oct 28 19:59:41 <GMenFan15> so how is everyone?

Oct 28 20:00:19 <GaryEastEnd> Hey JoeV

Oct 28 20:00:46 <JoeV> Hi! Harry - it's Joe and Joey. How was Mexico?

Oct 28 20:00:54 <hcarson> Gary, I left at halftime of the Giants game and flew down to Fl, played golf on Monday and then flew to Mex. I came back yesterday

Oct 28 20:01:06 <hcarson> so I'm still a little tired

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Oct 28 20:01:22 <hcarson> Hi guys how are you?

Oct 28 20:01:23 <GaryEastEnd> I can imagine

Oct 28 20:01:50 <GaryEastEnd> I'm good. Murphy's law strikes again tonight

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Oct 28 20:01:57 <hcarson> The Mexico experience was really great!

Oct 28 20:02:00 <JoeV> We're doing well. A bit disappointed about Sunday's game....

Oct 28 20:02:10 <GaryEastEnd> How is President Carter?

Oct 28 20:02:18 <GMenFan83> we'll all have big smiles on our faces this sunday

Oct 28 20:02:40 <hcarson> President Carter was great! We had lunch with him on Tuesday

Oct 28 20:03:07 <hcarson> He was very appreciative that we came to Mexico to support Habitat

Oct 28 20:03:34 <JoeV> I was looking for pictures of you and the Crunch Bunch but you weren't on the Habitat website.

Oct 28 20:03:40 <hcarson> I'm going to have some shots posted to the site later

Oct 28 20:03:59 <JoeV> I look forward to seeing them.

Oct 28 20:04:25 <hcarson> Brad VanPelt, Brian Kelley did a great job but Lawrence worked his butt off!!!!

Oct 28 20:04:26 <JoeV> Harry - Joey would like to thank you for the picture and card you sent.

Oct 28 20:04:35 <hcarson> I was very proud of him

Oct 28 20:05:23 <hcarson> he tackled working on the house the way he tackled Jaworski

Oct 28 20:05:48 <hcarson> he's welcome!

Oct 28 20:06:13 <JoeV> Joey's team lost their last game and didn't make the play-offs. They had a good season and are looking forward to next year. Much like we Giants fans did in the 70's.

Oct 28 20:06:17 <hcarson> glad you liked it

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Oct 28 20:06:36 <GMenFan83> Are you still trying to get into the Hall, Harry?

Oct 28 20:06:49 <hcarson> nope!

Oct 28 20:07:01 <hcarson> I'm trying to get off the list

Oct 28 20:07:46 <JoeV> Joey just asked why you were trying to get off the list.

Oct 28 20:07:56 <TruBlu4ev> Hello - Harry!

Oct 28 20:08:14 <GMenFan83> You deserve it..

Oct 28 20:08:58 <TruBlu4ev> How is the book coming along?

Oct 28 20:09:01 <hcarson> I will be posting a letter on the site for everyone to let them understand why

Oct 28 20:09:19 <hcarson> hi trublu

Oct 28 20:10:41 <hcarson> I've been too busy to write in the past few weeks

Oct 28 20:10:42 <TruBlu4ev> Are you still working on your book?

Oct 28 20:10:59 <hcarson> I'm still working on it but in my own time

Oct 28 20:11:09 <GMenFan83> I think your time will come...if you try someday you'll be in the Hall and everyone who doesn't know your name now, will.

Oct 28 20:11:18 <JoeV> What's the book about?

Oct 28 20:12:10 <hcarson> The book is about life after the game and players living with the injuries they sustained while they played

Oct 28 20:12:40 <hcarson> It's also about all of the stuff I couldn't write about when I was an active player

Oct 28 20:12:50 <JoeV> That sounds interesting, I look forward to reading it.

Oct 28 20:13:06 <TruBlu4ev> Speaking of injuries - back in the 80's when you were hospitalized in SF what was your injury? I forgot.

Oct 28 20:13:24 <hcarson> at that time I had 2 small kids and I didn't want to sell relationships down the river

Oct 28 20:13:42 <hcarson> I cracked a vertabae in my lower back

Oct 28 20:14:02 <JoeV> Oh, so this is going to be a "tell all" kind of book, too?

Oct 28 20:14:29 <hcarson> much of the new book is about the lingering effects of concussions I sustained while I played

Oct 28 20:15:12 <hcarson> as well as giving readers an insight of the professional athlete but athletes in general

Oct 28 20:15:56 <hcarson> the book should be an educational one for players who've sustained traumatic head injuries

Oct 28 20:16:25 <J_E_T_S> i'm definitely getting it when it comes out

Oct 28 20:16:28 <TruBlu4ev> Do you think the league has gotten any better about putting players back in when injured?

Oct 28 20:16:29 <GMenFan83> I'd read it. :D

Oct 28 20:16:34 <J_E_T_S> i'm playing football next year

Oct 28 20:16:38 <J_E_T_S> ot and dt

Oct 28 20:16:59 <hcarson> of the many players who have sustained concussion like Aikman, Steve Young and others I have an insight that they don't

Oct 28 20:17:10 <JoeV> (Joey) I play OT and DT, too!

Oct 28 20:17:47 <TruBlu4ev> A few weeks back Brett Favre took quite a hit and went right back on the field.

Oct 28 20:18:02 <hcarson> I have always been an advocate for players looking out for one another on the field

Oct 28 20:18:16 <J_E_T_S> have you ever considered coaching?

Oct 28 20:18:36 <J_E_T_S> like pepper johnson... curently a LB coach for the Pats, i believe

Oct 28 20:19:05 <hcarson> Favre snuck back onto the field to score a touchdown then the medical staff kept himout for the rest of the game

Oct 28 20:19:25 <TruBlu4ev> Oh

Oct 28 20:19:29 <hcarson> I've never had a desire to coach

Oct 28 20:19:55 <TruBlu4ev> Have you considered working the Giants sidelines other than in pre-season?

Oct 28 20:20:01 <hcarson> the NFL is trying to be more proactive in being aware of head injuries

Oct 28 20:20:12 <TruBlu4ev> The "Goose" has gotta go!

Oct 28 20:20:23 <GMenFan83> This may be a little off topic Harry, but, what's your take on this Ricky Williams situation

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Oct 28 20:20:32 <hcarson> only the networks cover the regular season games

Oct 28 20:20:36 <GMenFan59> hey guys

Oct 28 20:20:49 <TruBlu4ev> guys & gals

Oct 28 20:20:56 <hcarson> I do enjoy my few games during preseason

Oct 28 20:21:16 <hcarson> I like being close to the action

Oct 28 20:21:23 <hcarson> on the sidelines

Oct 28 20:21:29 <TruBlu4ev> I loved it when you interviewed Deion Sanders during the pre

Oct 28 20:21:36 <GMenFan59> that was awesome

Oct 28 20:21:53 <hcarson> I enjoyed that as well

Oct 28 20:22:07 <GMenFan59> He isn't looking as bad as people thought he was going to look.

Oct 28 20:22:08 <TruBlu4ev> Who else would ask him if his head was in the right place? and get away with it!

Oct 28 20:22:18 <hcarson> I met Deion years ago when he was with ATL

Oct 28 20:22:57 <TruBlu4ev> He is fast - I'll give him that.

Oct 28 20:23:28 <TruBlu4ev> And, they should name a play after him, the distractor.

Oct 28 20:23:38 <hcarson> even at his age he is still faster than most guys who are younger than him

Oct 28 20:23:53 <GMenFan59> Hey Harry, I'm going to be a college football freshman, and it's always been my dream to play for the giants, would you be able to give some advice?

Oct 28 20:24:10 <GMenFan59> I'm 18 and he's faster than me. lol

Oct 28 20:24:17 <TruBlu4ev> Hey, Harry - do you have any family members in the Game.

Oct 28 20:24:36 <hcarson> go to class and graduate

Oct 28 20:24:58 <JoeV> That's the best advice I ever heard!

Oct 28 20:25:00 <GMenFan59> oh absolutaly, even if I make it I will finish school.

Oct 28 20:25:11 <hcarson> the chance of making the NFL are slim and none

Oct 28 20:25:55 <hcarson> Even if you made it I tell people that it's the best "temp job" you can ever have

Oct 28 20:26:02 <GMenFan59> But if I put my mind to it, I know I can make it.

Oct 28 20:26:10 <GMenFan59> THATS true. lol

Oct 28 20:26:21 <TruBlu4ev> I'm so glad the League ruled NOT to let guys enter w/o college.

Oct 28 20:26:23 <GMenFan59> I'm friends with Ray Lucas, he knows that as well as anyone.

Oct 28 20:26:32 <J_E_T_S> ray lucas

Oct 28 20:26:35 <hcarson> but what if you get hurt in the last game of your college career?

Oct 28 20:26:37 <J_E_T_S> :))

Oct 28 20:26:43 <J_E_T_S> that'd suck

Oct 28 20:26:49 <TruBlu4ev> yeah

Oct 28 20:26:59 <hcarson> it does suck but that's life

Oct 28 20:26:59 <GMenFan59> That's football. It's all one big risk.

Oct 28 20:27:27 <hcarson> every play is a risk and the next play could be your last play!

Oct 28 20:27:30 <TruBlu4ev> How did you keep in such good shape for the 13 years?

Oct 28 20:27:40 <JoeV> my cousin Joe's birthdayis sunday.

Oct 28 20:27:42 <GMenFan59> I've dedicated my life to the giants, and football. I've also got other goals. But from one giant to a future giant(;)) I'm sure you understand.

Oct 28 20:27:48 <hcarson> I worked on and off the field

Oct 28 20:28:20 <GMenFan59> yeah Harry you definitely look like you can jump back on if you wanted to

Oct 28 20:28:34 <hcarson> when you are a professional you have to treat your body with respect

Oct 28 20:28:48 <hcarson> otherwise it might forsake you

Oct 28 20:28:52 <TruBlu4ev> How often do you work out?

Oct 28 20:29:02 <hcarson> 4-5 times a week

Oct 28 20:29:19 <TruBlu4ev> Do you go to a gym or do you have a gym in your house?

Oct 28 20:29:27 <hcarson> lots of cardio

Oct 28 20:29:40 <hcarson> both but I like going to the gym

Oct 28 20:30:09 <TruBlu4ev> Any further info on the Giants Class Reunion in AC?

Oct 28 20:30:32 <GMenFan59> Hey Harry what do you think about our g-men this year?

Oct 28 20:30:57 <TruBlu4ev> WebMaster I am SO GLAD you got the site up and running!

Oct 28 20:31:03 <GMenFan59> yeah really

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Oct 28 20:31:16 <TruBlu4ev> I have been anxiously awaiting this day.

Oct 28 20:31:19 <J_E_T_S> any of you people on GMB?

Oct 28 20:31:20 <hcarson> I stopped working out for a while when I worked in corporate America, I traveled quite a bit until my back went out on me. It was the absolute worst pain in my life so I had to commit to staying in better shape than I was in.

Oct 28 20:31:39 <GMenFan59> well at least you realized that

Oct 28 20:31:47 <hcarson> we are still working on the AC reunion....

Oct 28 20:31:54 <GMenFan59> Harry thanks for chatting with us. It means more to some of us then you know.

Oct 28 20:32:14 <TruBlu4ev> Yeah - it really is a treat!

Oct 28 20:32:28 <hcarson> I think the team is much better that anyone could have imagined but they still have a long way to go

Oct 28 20:33:09 <GMenFan59> LOL I'm flying all over training camp trying to get a million autographs - then I get to talk to Harry Carson.. its unbelievable

Oct 28 20:33:11 <hcarson> even though they lost on Sunday I see them as being very competitive

Oct 28 20:33:27 <TruBlu4ev> We're at the half-way point and the team is better that all of last year already.

Oct 28 20:33:36 <GMenFan59> Yeah well I went and got my giants tattoo sunday, I'm hoping its a jinx.. lol

Oct 28 20:33:41 <GMenFan59> its not***

Oct 28 20:33:43 <GMenFan59> whoops

Oct 28 20:34:36 <TruBlu4ev> I had my doubts about Coughlin. And he still does somethings that aggravate me.

Oct 28 20:34:43 <hcarson> I hope you guys continue to visit the site as we are adding some new features in coming weeks

Oct 28 20:34:46 <GMenFan59> Really? i love the guy

Oct 28 20:34:55 <GMenFan59> i sure will be here

Oct 28 20:35:08 <GMenFan59> hey tru, you gotta have a coach like that in football nowadays

Oct 28 20:35:18 <hcarson> Tom is a good coach

Oct 28 20:35:26 <GMenFan59> there are many egotistical players out there that need to be set in place

Oct 28 20:35:27 <TruBlu4ev> I know

Oct 28 20:35:46 <GMenFan59> Terrel Owens could use a Tom Coughlin

Oct 28 20:35:52 <TruBlu4ev> It's just that inside the 10 yard line you HAVE TO go for it.

Oct 28 20:35:56 <hcarson> the team is still developing and still have a long way to go but at 4 and 2 I'll take that right now

Oct 28 20:36:19 <GMenFan59> very true

Oct 28 20:36:26 <GMenFan59> we NEED to use Shockey more

Oct 28 20:36:37 <GMenFan59> thats my only complaint

Oct 28 20:37:04 <hcarson> how would you feel about TC if the team was 2 & 4?

Oct 28 20:37:25 <hcarson> or 1&5?

Oct 28 20:37:41 <TruBlu4ev> Harry, why do they repeat the same play over several times in a row? (i.e. hand off to Tiki/Tiki/Tiki)

Oct 28 20:37:44 <GMenFan59> Hard to say because we aren't 1 - 5.. but I follow his jacksonville days, and he is an amazing coach in my eyes

Oct 28 20:38:00 <GMenFan59> He's an old school smashmouth coach, and I love it.

Oct 28 20:38:12 <hcarson> how would you feel if they were sweep by the Sox like the Cardinals last night

Oct 28 20:38:25 <TruBlu4ev> If the team was 2&4 or 1&5 - I'd be saying "Send him back to retirement!"

Oct 28 20:38:26 <GMenFan59> LOL

Oct 28 20:38:47 <hcarson> Tom is doing a good job of adjusting the mindset of all of the players

Oct 28 20:39:03 <GMenFan59> You can't thought. Look at John Fox. The guy took a 1 -15 team to 9 - 7. then to the superbowl... now hes 1 -5 .. do you say get rid of him?

Oct 28 20:39:05 <GMenFan59> definitely not

Oct 28 20:39:25 <GMenFan59> Harry thats exactly what I think.

Oct 28 20:39:35 <hcarson> he is reinstilling that sense of discipline

Oct 28 20:39:37 <TruBlu4ev> I was upset that the Giants didn't give Kerry a proper send off. He just faded away in the tunnel

Oct 28 20:39:44 <GMenFan59> If they are not tough enough to work out a little bit harder, and have a firmer hand on them, then we don't need them.

Oct 28 20:40:13 <GMenFan59> tru Kerry didnt want to hear it. he was full of pride (not always a bad thing).. but he was going to do what he wanted, regardless

Oct 28 20:40:43 <hcarson> I think Kerry is happy where he is now

Oct 28 20:41:02 <GMenFan59> me too

Oct 28 20:41:09 <TruBlu4ev> Yeah, and he has some fellow Giants there too. Remember Tyrone Wheatley and

Oct 28 20:41:20 <GMenFan59> good point tru

Oct 28 20:41:54 <J_E_T_S> You're risking a patient's life!

Oct 28 20:42:02 <hcarson> athletes understand what the game is about, there is no security and you are as good as your last game

Oct 28 20:42:07 <GaryEastEnd> Well, I was a big Fassel fan -- he did take us to the Superbowl

Oct 28 20:42:14 <TruBlu4ev> Harry, do you keep in touch with OJ? (Anderson that is)

Oct 28 20:42:28 <GMenFan59> Harry thats the scary part

Oct 28 20:42:31 <hcarson> I was a big Fassel fan as well

Oct 28 20:42:47 <hcarson> I was in contact with OJ today

Oct 28 20:42:47 <TruBlu4ev> Who was your favorite coach when you were playing?

Oct 28 20:43:25 <TruBlu4ev> I have this picture with him I want him to sign. But his site says "No Autographs"

Oct 28 20:43:37 <hcarson> Shottenheimer back in the 70s Parcells and Belichick

Oct 28 20:44:03 <hcarson> well, I guess you are out of luck

Oct 28 20:44:05 <GMenFan59> thats cool Harry

Oct 28 20:44:12 <TruBlu4ev> Remember when you doused Parcells with the Gatorade bucket?

Oct 28 20:44:23 <hcarson> many buckets

Oct 28 20:44:45 <JoeV> Belichick should have gotten the Giants head coach job after Parcells!

Oct 28 20:44:47 <GMenFan59> I don't understand the "no autographs" thing.. as a fan right now, it hurts to get turned down when you see your favorite player

Oct 28 20:45:00 <TruBlu4ev> You went through the trouble of chainging your jersey to a Yellow staff jacket, Why?

Oct 28 20:45:29 <TruBlu4ev> Did you guys start the Gatorade Shower?

Oct 28 20:45:30 <hcarson> to catch him offguard

Oct 28 20:45:42 <hcarson> me and Jim Burt started it

Oct 28 20:45:49 <GMenFan59> lol

Oct 28 20:46:12 <TruBlu4ev> I knew it!!!

Oct 28 20:46:26 <GMenFan59> Harry whats your fav. position other than yours?

Oct 28 20:46:51 <hcarson> I'm sure if you see OJ in person he would be more than happy to sign an autograph for you

Oct 28 20:46:58 <hcarson> DE

Oct 28 20:47:17 <TruBlu4ev> Yeah - I'm sure he would - He's a great guy!

Oct 28 20:47:29 <GMenFan59> I would hope so. Luckily Shockey is good like that.

Oct 28 20:47:32 <hcarson> That was my position in college

Oct 28 20:47:38 <GMenFan59> Yes I read that.

Oct 28 20:47:55 <GMenFan59> Unfortunatly I was born in 86.. I never got to remember you playing.

Oct 28 20:48:05 <hcarson> ,ost of the guys are very accomodating if you approach them the right way

Oct 28 20:48:21 <hcarson> most

Oct 28 20:48:46 <hcarson> with respect and not demanding like many fans do

Oct 28 20:49:01 <hcarson> that is what turns players off

Oct 28 20:49:16 <TruBlu4ev> I'm nothing but respectful - some fans turn me off tooo!

Oct 28 20:49:25 <GMenFan59> Strahan was supposed to do a signing session in secaucus, he was suppose dto be tehre from 10 - 1.. he showed up at 10 and left at 10:30.. and didn't sign one.

Oct 28 20:49:41 <TruBlu4ev> Boozing fans and player events just don't mix.

Oct 28 20:49:52 <GMenFan59> got that right Tru

Oct 28 20:50:28 <hcarson> I try to accomodate fans but some of you guys are off your rockers!

Oct 28 20:50:36 <TruBlu4ev> Harry, I've heard a couple of versions of the infamous Joe Theismann career ending tackle. Did he get hit by LT AND Reasons?

Oct 28 20:50:48 <GMenFan59> LOL well I'm a football player AND a fan. So I am very respectiful.

Oct 28 20:50:58 <hcarson> just LT

Oct 28 20:51:11 <TruBlu4ev> oh

Oct 28 20:51:12 <GaryEastEnd> By the way, everyone should sign the guestbook

Oct 28 20:51:29 <hcarson> we were trying to keep him in the game before he got hurt

Oct 28 20:51:39 <GaryEastEnd> I'm going to use the e-mails there to keep people updated on the site

Oct 28 20:52:02 <hcarson> we had him in our hip pocket and we knew almost everything he was going to do

Oct 28 20:52:10 <TruBlu4ev> Why do we have to pick a nickname to sign on this site?

Oct 28 20:52:26 <GMenFan59> thats why our defense was so potent

Oct 28 20:52:41 <GMenFan59> you knew everything about it, you were genious' when it cam eto taht

Oct 28 20:52:43 <TruBlu4ev> Yeah, he wasn't very effective in that game before the hit.

Oct 28 20:52:44 <GMenFan59> that*

Oct 28 20:53:12 <GMenFan59> Harry what do you think about Shockey?

Oct 28 20:53:22 <GMenFan59> His attitude, his playing.

Oct 28 20:53:49 <GaryEastEnd> TruBlu, that's how the software wirks

Oct 28 20:53:52 <hcarson> when you play against someone long enough you get a feel for what they're trying to do. That is the way the Sox did Rivera

Oct 28 20:54:04 <hcarson> to Rivera

Oct 28 20:54:07 <JoeV> Harry - this is Joey. It's bedtime and so Good night!

Oct 28 20:54:13 <GaryEastEnd> If you don't pick a nickname, you'll get a GMenFan nickname

Oct 28 20:54:16 <hcarson> I love Shockey

Oct 28 20:54:28 <hcarson> tough guy

Oct 28 20:54:36 <hcarson> wants the ball

Oct 28 20:54:42 <hcarson> wants to win

Oct 28 20:54:50 <TruBlu4ev> Yeah - I like his attitude.

Oct 28 20:54:54 <hcarson> emotional

Oct 28 20:55:17 <GMenFan59> He's the heart and soul of this team. It's just not out this year and I don't know why.

Oct 28 20:55:22 <GMenFan59> it's upsetting

Oct 28 20:55:22 <TruBlu4ev> Do you think Ron Dayne would be better utilized in another postion - Everybody has his #

Oct 28 20:55:32 <hcarson> plays with heart

Oct 28 20:55:58 <hcarson> Dayne is running back, nothing else

Oct 28 20:56:12 <hcarson> this might be his last hurrah

Oct 28 20:56:34 <hcarson> for salary reason....

Oct 28 20:56:44 <TruBlu4ev> Oh no!

Oct 28 20:57:13 <GMenFan59> I don't even think you can consider is a hurrah.

Oct 28 20:57:24 <hcarson> I really do like 27 but he might be somewhere else next year

Oct 28 20:57:25 <GMenFan59> He needs to go to a team that needs him. He is wasting his time and talent here.

Oct 28 20:57:29 <TruBlu4ev> But, he's still young and he'll land on his feet. But I just hate it when the Giants lose valuable players.

Oct 28 20:58:01 <hcarson> every fit is not always a perfect fit

Oct 28 20:58:20 <JoeV> Hi Harrry - It's Doreen. I have been thinking of you this week. I heard your trip to Mexico was rewarding. How was your luncheon with President Carter?

Oct 28 20:58:20 <TruBlu4ev> Juravicious, Wheatley, Armstead, the list goes on and on..

Oct 28 20:58:22 <GMenFan59> What do you think about Hufnagal?

Oct 28 20:58:24 <GMenFan59> Huffnagal*

Oct 28 20:58:27 <hcarson> Dayne has not been a perfect fit for the G...

Oct 28 20:58:43 <TruBlu4ev> You don't think it was a PlayBook thing?

Oct 28 20:59:10 <hcarson> Carter was great! It was really good to see a man 80 years old give his time and energy to help others

Oct 28 20:59:28 <hcarson> his wife as well

Oct 28 20:59:44 <hcarson> he is a very humble man

Oct 28 20:59:45 <JoeV> They are good people

Oct 28 20:59:49 <GMenFan59> How is he feeling?

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Oct 28 21:00:11 <hcarson> he looked like he was feeling great!

Oct 28 21:00:36 <hcarson> I'm posting some shots of him later

Oct 28 21:00:37 <GMenFan59> always good news

Oct 28 21:00:42 <GMenFan59> awesome

Oct 28 21:00:58 <TruBlu4ev> How many presidents have you met Harry?

Oct 28 21:01:01 <JoeV> I have great respect for him and he, as are you and your family, are in my prayers.

Oct 28 21:01:08 <GMenFan59> Harry I have a friend of mine on the phone, he's a player and he said to say thank you, you are an inspiration to him.

Oct 28 21:01:09 <hcarson> shots of VanPelt, Kelley and LT

Oct 28 21:01:28 <hcarson> thanks!

Oct 28 21:01:53 <JoeV> We will be checking back to see the pics. Right now I have to go see CSI. Peace

Oct 28 21:02:07 <hcarson> Presidents? Nixon, Carter, Bush I,, Reagan and Clinton

Oct 28 21:02:26 <GMenFan59> If I may ask, are you a Bush II supporter?

Oct 28 21:03:20 <hcarson> I don't normally talk politics but in response to your question...

Oct 28 21:03:26 <hcarson> NO!!!

Oct 28 21:03:29 <GMenFan59> I understand, I apologize.

Oct 28 21:03:30 <GMenFan59> lol

Oct 28 21:03:44 <TruBlu4ev> lol

Oct 28 21:03:59 <JoeV> Harry - This is Joe - Good night for now.

Oct 28 21:04:09 <hcarson> Politics and religion are two topics that people fight over

Oct 28 21:04:19 <hcarson> good night Joe and Doreen

Oct 28 21:04:50 <GMenFan59> My girlfriend is a Kerry supporter, and I'm pro Bush. That's all we know about that topic with each other. lol

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Oct 28 21:05:11 <TruBlu4ev> Unfortunately - I'm not tech savvy - how long does a chat room stay open

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Oct 28 21:06:10 <hcarson> Your girl friend is a smart woman hahahaha! well, I have run folks. please check for the photos tomorrow

Oct 28 21:06:10 <GaryEastEnd> This room stays open as long as one person remains

Oct 28 21:06:16 <GMenFan59> LOL

Oct 28 21:06:21 <GaryEastEnd> Take care harry

Oct 28 21:06:26 <GMenFan59> Harry my name is Justin Mermelstein.. it was a pleasure to meet you.

Oct 28 21:06:32 <GMenFan59> Thank you.. and watch for my name ;)

Oct 28 21:06:37 <hcarson> take care as well

Oct 28 21:07:04 <hcarson> Gary, I'll send the shots shortly

Oct 28 21:07:16 <GaryEastEnd> Great

Oct 28 21:07:24 <TruBlu4ev> Is this chat session going to be open every Thursday?

Oct 28 21:07:27 <GaryEastEnd> I'll get them up ASAP

Oct 28 21:07:35 <GaryEastEnd> It's up to harry

Oct 28 21:07:46 <GaryEastEnd> When do you want to chat next, Harry?

Oct 28 21:08:01 <Chuch> GaryEastEnd

Oct 28 21:08:23 <J_E_T_S> adios mr. carson

Oct 28 21:08:24 <hcarson> we will do it again either on a Monday night or Thursday night

Oct 28 21:08:43 <GaryEastEnd> Watch the front page of the site for the next chat session

Oct 28 21:08:49 <TruBlu4ev> Well, this has been great!

Oct 28 21:08:55 <J_E_T_S> yep

Oct 28 21:09:00 <GMenFan59> nice meeting you Tru

Oct 28 21:09:04 <hcarson> I think next Thursday is good for me

Oct 28 21:09:10 <TruBlu4ev> Nice meeting you too

Oct 28 21:09:14 <GaryEastEnd> Thursday it is

Oct 28 21:09:19 <hcarson> likewise

Oct 28 21:09:37 <TruBlu4ev> Bye! See ya next week!

Oct 28 21:09:45 <J_E_T_S> You're risking a patient's life!

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